“If you aren’t using the PESO model for your communications work, and measuring the meaningful metrics that help an organization grow, you will not have a job in 10 years.” – Gini Dietrich
This week, #ContentChat was joined by Gini Dietrich (@GiniDietrich), founder, CEO, and author of Spin Sucks, to explore PESO model 2.0, a strategy for executing integrated marketing programs that streamlines your team’s efforts, amplifies your results, and helps you to better connect with your audiences.
Read the full conversation below, including how marketing and communications pros can use the model to break down siloes and more effectively communicate the ROI of their efforts. If you’re hoping to learn more about the PESO model, Gini explains how to implement the PESO model, no matter your team’s size, in this post.
Q1: First things first @ginidietrich: What is the PESO model, and why did you initially create it?
Gini created the PESO model (paid, earned, shared, and owned media) to help explain the work her agency does. After being published in her book Spin Sucks, the model gained popularity in the field.
A1A: The #PESOModel is an integrated communications program that combines paid, earned, shared, and owned media #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
A1B: I created it because my agency needed a process that we used to help clients understand the work we do #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
A1C: I included it in the book “Spin Sucks”, along with a graphic and the rest, shall we say, is history… #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Half of our poll respondents are familiar with the model, but it is new for the other half.
While @ginidietrich is answering our follow-ups, I have a Q for our #ContentChat community—how many of you here are familiar with The PESO Model?
— Erika Heald | Content Marketing Expert (@SFerika) April 20, 2020
Some points of clarity: The order is “PESO” simply because it is easier to remember. A company can prioritize any of the letters first.
Before we move on to Q2, can we answer one of the related Qs I know you often are asked, which is, “How can you have a PR model that puts paid media first?” #ContentChat
— Erika Heald | Content Marketing Expert (@SFerika) April 20, 2020
Baahahah! You know me well. LOL! It’s only first because the acronym is easier to remember. If I were to order the way to use it, it would go OSEP. But that’s harder to remember. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Shared media includes promotion, distribution, and content curation.
Can we clarify “shared”? I’m blanking on this. Apologies – brain fog in lockdown. Do you mean sharing others’ content or sharing yours on social media & platforms? I agree “owned” is the way to go – guarantees a story that you/your company/client will be happy with! #contentchat
— Caroline (@CAZJAMES) April 20, 2020
Yep, shared is sharing both—it’s promotion and distribution and content curation. The whole kit and caboodle. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q2: What are the changes that you made to The PESO Model 2.0?
Check out PESO model 2.0 in this graphic:
This is the new and improved #PESOModel 2.0: https://t.co/zdo3sLLzcY #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Some changes include the removal of Google+ and Vine. In general, the model avoids specific platforms because they constantly change.
A2: We made some tactical changes—got rid of Google+ and Vine, for instance—and added some buckets, such as lead gen #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
We tried to stay away from specifics because they change so fast, but yes…TikTok would fall under shared #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
I am so glad to not see specific channels/platforms here for that reason. You don’t want to end up having to update the graphic endlessly. #ContentChat
— Erika Heald | Content Marketing Expert (@SFerika) April 20, 2020
Additionally, the model is now focused on strategy versus just tactics.
A2B: But the biggest change we made is we made it far more strategic. It’s no longer just a list of tactics #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q3: The PESO Model 2.0 is all about the intersection of the many marketing and communications functions in an organization. Can you share your POV on the importance of the collaboration/interconnectedness of the model especially during a crisis?
The PESO model is designed to keep marketers and communications professionals aware of the full range of media avenues to explore.
A3A: The #PESOModel is important in good times, but particularly important during a crisis, or say…a global pandemic #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
A3B: The one thing we can always rely on is change. And, with journalists being furloughed right now, the E of the #PESOModel gets even more challenging #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
In times of crisis, this can help professionals pivot from one focus to another. Paid media, for example, can provide data, metrics, and certainty that the other categories do not provide to the same extent.
A3C: So being able to add in P, S, and O to continue marketing and stay top-of-mind is incredibly important #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Yes, interestingly I’ve noticed jobs now advertised for VP – Paid Media. It’s a great skill to know how much to pay and what you’ll get in return via social media platforms. There are so many channels – it’s mind boggling (TikTok, Snap, Linkedin, Facebook, Instagram) #contentchat
— Caroline (@CAZJAMES) April 20, 2020
Truthfully, paid is one of my favorite of the media types because of the data and the metrics. I can tell you exactly what to spend to reach your goals. And I LOVE that. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
I like attribution at the top of the funnel, lead generation and nurturing at the middle, and lead conversion at the bottom. Some of that does intertwine with marketing, for sure. #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q4: If an organization is looking to implement a PESO Model 2.0 approach, where should PR live in the org chart?
Gini believes that PR should report to the CEO or COO, and the PESO model helps explain the ROI of your work to this audience.
A4A: Listen, I am a communicator by trade. I also am a business owner. And it makes me flipping nuts that PR falls under marketing or HR or gasp! legal. #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
A4B: I 100% believe PR should report directly to the CEO or COO. But that will not happen if we don’t learn how to measure our efforts to cold, hard cash. The #PESOModel helps you do that #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
When PR doesn’t report to the CEO or COO, it is difficult to impossible to be effective b/c you don’t have enough facetime with the leadership team and insight into the day-to-day changes and evolution in strategy IMHO. #ContentChat
— Erika Heald | Content Marketing Expert (@SFerika) April 20, 2020
Many PR departments report into marketing, but this is not always the ideal setup. Gini explains that PR should fit more as a leadership role, and that marketing and PR do different things: marketing protects the brand, while PR protects its reputation.
I hear that from a lot of PR pros. I’ve also been the marketing leader in a lot of orgs where PR reported to me, which made sense to me. Give me a good “why not?” on that one. #ContentChat
— John Cloonan (@johncloonan) April 20, 2020
I’m not so naive to think that, in some cases, it should report to marketing. But if a PR pro is doing their job correctly, it’s a leadership team role. Marketing and PR do two very different things. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
I think it should be a partnership (communications and marketing), but I find that the two seem to be at odds more often than not…#ContentChat https://t.co/TNY0FZBnFA
— Jen Brass Jenkins (@chrliechaz) April 20, 2020
They do. It’s true. Marketing protects the brand. Communications protects the reputation. Both are important—and should work together. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
I agree they do, but if you look at the classic 4Ps of marketing, I see PR falling under promotion. #ContentChat
— John Cloonan (@johncloonan) April 20, 2020
But this isn’t a classic model. And PR isn’t solely promotion. It’s reputation and brand building and crisis management…which fall outside of the 4Ps #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
“PR isn’t solely promotion. It’s reputation and brand building and crisis management”
Remember, PR stands for PUBLIC RELATIONS:
how the public relates to your org. and how your org. relates to the public — everywhere, everyone#PR #PublicRelations #ContentChat https://t.co/CRjkMnYyTZ— Kelly Byrd (@KelByrd) April 20, 2020
If your contact is not in the C-Suite, though, the PESO model is still valuable as long as your contact understands that PR involves more than media relations.
What if your client contact isn’t the C-Suite, and will probably never be. You still find communicating #PESOModel can be effective?
I’ve found it all depends on the audience’s open mind in the industry. #ContentChat
— Shawn Paul Wood (@ShawnPaulWood) April 20, 2020
It does depend on the willingness to understand that PR is more than media relations. We’re not there yet, as an industry, so it can be a challenge with some leaders. #contentchat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q5: What are some ways the PESO Model can help align an organization’s many different departments, stakeholders, and goals?
The PESO model shows the vastly different, but all connected, activities that marketing and communications can be involved in. In an ideal case like Erika’s, you can use the PESO model to explain the need to break down departmental siloes to streamline efforts and reporting.
I have been able to use the PESO model as a tool to to explain why an org needed to have a cross-departmental editorial board and calendar, and to make the case for consolidated reporting, all of which helped better align all public comms and customer experience. #ContentChat
— Erika Heald | Content Marketing Expert (@SFerika) April 20, 2020
A5A: It aligns the organization because it becomes strategic and MEASURABLE. It builds reputation, both online and off, and you have the metrics to know what’s working (and what’s not) #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q6: The search engines keep changing their algorithms—so how can the PESO model 2.0 help me create the right content for the right channels?
When creating content, focus on the value you are providing to your audience. As long as you create high-quality content that meets your reader’s needs, your content can weather any algorithm change.
A6: Listen, if you do content well—and always create the very best piece of content on the topic on the internet, it will never matter what the search engine algorithms do #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Q7: What are your must-have technology tools for implementing a PESO Model approach?
Check out Gini’s recommendations on the must-have tech for implementing a PESO model approach at your org. Some highlights: Google Analytics, a CRM, marketing automation tools like ActiveCampaign, and Google Data Studio for data aggregation.
A7: Tools! Google Analytics, of course. A CRM. A marketing automation tool. And Google Data Studio to house it all #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
Google Data Studio is the freakin’ bomb. #ContentChat
— John Cloonan (@johncloonan) April 20, 2020
What MA tools do you like? #ContentChat
— John Cloonan (@johncloonan) April 20, 2020
I’m partial to ActiveCampaign. I have a SharpSpring demo next week so we’ll see on that one. #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
I also find tools like these invaluable but I have trouble aggregating all of the data from each one into a single place that makes it easy to understand. How do you accomplish this? #ContentChat
— BerNerd (@BerNerd87746576) April 20, 2020
Data Studio does that for you. Everything in one spot and it’s magnificent! #ContentChat
— Gini Dietrich (@ginidietrich) April 20, 2020
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